There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states, many engaging in what is effectively modern slavery. I don't think we can effectively weigh human rights atrocities between nations, but the U.S. is certainly not "better" than China in many respects.
I was not "weighing between nations", I was responding to: "I think this "China evil" framing is a smear"
> There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states
In 2019, whites+hispanics committed 0.92x as many homicides as blacks [1], but their 2021 incarceration numbers were 1.72x that of blacks (0.75x for non-hispanic whites alone) [2]. Using homicide to estimate criminality, because it is immune to over-policing.
So, per crime committed, blacks are less, not more, likely to be jailed. But it sure looks pretty damning if you ignore behavior, and don't compare to others!
Now maybe you still think the US incarcerates too many people in general, regardless of race. Well, then I welcome you to calculate the ratio of the incarceration and homicide rate, and compare the US one to that of some other countries.
Wait, you do know there are less black people in the US than white people so doing a ratio on absolute murder numbers is wild right? That makes that .92 useless.
2021. People incarcerated in state or federal prisons by race and ethnicity.
Race, ethnicity % of US population % of incarcerated
population Incarceration rate (per 100,000)
White (non-Hispanic) 59 31 181
Hispanic 19 24 434
Black 14 32 901
Did you just ignore the data where the whites are 181/100,000 and blacks are 901/100,000. From an absolute perspective they are close but as a percentage of ethnic population it's not even close.
I feel like this is why its hard to have a convo on the internet. Even when we have data, it's impossible to see it the same way.
> so doing a ratio on absolute murder numbers is wild right?
Only that's not what I did. Read again - "per crime committed, blacks are less, not more, likely to be jailed".
What I compared was prison population, divided by number of homicides committed, for whites and blacks. It's strange how rarely this is done, because without it, it must look like the courts are fantastically biased against men, with how many more of them there are in jail than women.
Using homicide numbers when the point was about overall incarceration statistics is disingenuous at best, and a wildly racist diatribe worthy of a significant scolding at worst. Murder / homicide account for a small single digit percentage of all incarcerated people in the US.
Honestly a bit disgusted to have even read what you wrote here. Shameful.
Edit for more substance: your use of homicide numbers belies the common racist American stereotype of blacks as not only a violent, but coddled minority. The fact that your mind would even begin to think that it’s fair to compare 2 million incarcerated black people to the 3-5% of people who are incarcerated for murder for a statistical gotcha is despicable.
Yes, so very shameful. Okay then, you tell me - how would you compare how the criminal justice system treats two groups that behave differently in aggregate? For example, men vs. women - there are a lot more men in jail than women, for any race. Do you think this is all due to anti-male bias in the police and courts?
