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My money is on Russian meddling, to make Germany dependent or Russian gas. Which happened. Until the US blew up the pipeline, and now Germany is dependent on US gas.




People have completely memory holed how bizarrely pro everything Russia the EU was from 2000-2015.

Seems you have memory holed how pro Russia the US was too. You guys had joint military exercises. Why single out the EU as being bad?

What you seem to also have memory holed was that up until Crimea, the prevailing idea for Russia was that the more we trade with them, the more wealthy and informed the populace becomes and the more entwined the economy becomes globally and thus losing that access would become too painful to them. The exact same playbook was used for China up till 2016.


> Seems you have memory holed how pro Russia the US was too.

Interesting inference to draw.

> The exact same playbook was used for China up till 2016

Nope.


You mean the Green party was undermined by Russians?

The Green party had the goal of de-nuclearization from the beginning, at that time the Soviet Union was still in existence. When the Green party came to power and negotiated the nuclear exit, they did not need any external motivation to do so.

The only way I can see this being Russian meddling would be the Green party being infiltrated from Russia from the beginning.

If you have sources that point to the Green party being undermined by Soviet/Russian espionage or some such, please point me torwards them.


The opposite. The (unsubstantiated and probably false) claim is that the Green party was helped or funded by Russian energy companies, who benefited by Germany shutting down its nuclear plants.

Not sure why you're blaming the Greens here, they're a second-tier party in Germany and weren't even a part of the governing coalition during Fukushima and the decision to completely exit nuclear.

The Green party and the Social Democrats were the governing coalition that enacted the nuclear exit. Sure, it was completed by the other two big parties after Fukushima, but by that time the exit was already underway in practice.

That's nonsense. Large parts of the German Left has been incredibly anti-nuclear for 40+ years. And by the 80s they killed further investment. And by the 90s it was clear that nuclear was temporary and was going to be killed.

The right was never anti-nuclear, but they were more pro-gas and pro-coal.




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