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They already do that... they raise funds from LPs which include a fee which covers the costs. And it works fine, LPs repeatedly invest in the same firms which they wouldn't do if they thought it was a bad deal. There are firms which have been investing for 20-30 years with the same LPs. If the business model wasn't working it would have failed and the VC firm would have closed a long time ago.


"If the business model wasn't working it would have failed and the VC firm would have closed a long time ago."

Tons of VCs do fail.


As a class VC is a lousy investment.

Warren Buffett has described PE as a horrible investment class populated entirely by grifters who lock up your money for 10 years and fuck around with it, producing awful returns. The way he describes it, VC sounds very similar from a LP's perspective.

So why does anyone invest? Buffett's theory is that LPs are mutual fund and pension fund managers who like the fact that there's a 10 year lockup in a private, illiquid investment because it means that the value can't be marked to market. They won't still be managing the fund at the end of the lockup and in the mean time they can mark to expectation and let the next guy deal with the fallout.


I think the answer is marginal utility of money. If I have $20 million, and I take $1m to the casino and bet it all on Red 21, maybe I come back with another $20m after taxes. Or I lose $1m then and there.

But in the process there's no control and no sense of skill or judgement or expertise. I'm just a gambler.

If on-the-other-hand I gave that money to a GP in a fund to invest on my behalf, they could come back with a game-changing amount of money in some circumstances, and there's a plausible claim of skill and expertise in my selection of the GP, and the GP's selection of investments.

Same potential for asymmetric returns as gambling, but in a format that reinforces the illusions of skill and control and just maybe really is a question of skill at some level.

I want to say that losing money by being bad at things is always possible, but making money by being good at things is far more a matter of intangibles than anybody want to admit, and proving that any success was deterministic rather than little turtles racing down the beach to the sea and on-average half make it is nearly impossible.

We all love the illusion of control. But the statistics just don't bear it out as a fact in business.


Yes, and that's healthy. Any ecosystem of companies, people, animals has failures. As far as I can see, it works fine. Just like tech companies, some VCs do amazingly, some fail. We get new VCs starting each year just like tech companies, some succeed, some fail, there's no issue here.


Agreed. VCs are companies, start ups are companies, they've got very similar dynamics.

There's no magic anywhere in here.




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