Which is not a bad thing. If at least a few of those startups become big they could sustain the Ruby community with jobs and sponsorship, like Shopify and GitHub do today.
> If at least a few of those startups become big they could sustain the Ruby community with jobs and sponsorship,
This is the one thing that most developers dont understand when ever we talk about Ruby ( or any programming languages ). The economics of a programming language, you could hate Objective-C all you want but Apple could force people to program in it as long as they hold the 1 billion Active iPhone with 60% to 70% of Apps store spending and online purchasing power.
Edit: The one way to make Ruby popular. Make the best blogging, forums and Wiki software open source and fight the hell out of it for market share. These three category make up a lot of current third party Web consumption usage without being held by big tech.
Agree with you on voices. I love Attenborough but I would strongly prefer that when he stops working or passes on we not recreate his voice or likeness with AI. It’d ruin his legacy because it’ll leave me with that feeling of disgust when I hear his voice, the exact opposite of what he’d want.
Off topic, but do you comment on reddit under the same handle?
As Please Stop Citing TIOBE (https://nindalf.com/posts/stop-citing-tiobe/) points out, languages do have random fluctuations. It’s garbage data, so this is unsurprising. Between 2016-17 Java dropped 42% and C dropped 62%. That indicated nothing then, because they both promptly recovered. It was just noise.
Don’t take TIOBE seriously. You’ll feel better.
Look at the other suggested metrics - Google trends, GitHub repos, Developer surveys etc. None of these are perfect, but they’re more meaningful than TIOBE.
Is this a serious question? Then here’s a serious answer - the difference between employing a 9 year old and a 19 year old for a dangerous job is All the difference in the world.
Did you answer the question? Your answer to "how are they different?" was... "they're different".
Children have been working in dangerous environments since the dawn of humanity. Genuinely interested in why you think the industrial revolution and X years old is where we should draw the line.
Because we reach a certain point where it's possible and reasonable to do so.
The ultimate goal of humanity should be UBI and all humans living a content, peaceful life in which they can pursue the things that interest them.
But because of evolutionary behaviours that result in things like capitalism, we'll never reach that goal. I'll say it now: humans are currently biologically incapable of sustaining a true utopia.
Very weak article. I do all of these things in the terminal not because they’re better, but because of muscle memory. I’m under no illusions that me typing my git commands by hand makes me a better programmer. I didn’t become one with the machine.
For junior devs: don’t worry about which tools you use. Ultimately make sure that what you’re shipping is tested and reliable. Make sure of it before sending it for review and you’ll be fine. You don’t need to mess around in neovim to prove anything to anyone.
It is known, but not widely used outside of embedded programming. The fact that they’re using it while writing a database when they didn’t need to makes people sit up and notice. So why did they make this conscious choice?
It’s tempting to cut people down to size, but I don’t think it’s warranted here. I think TigerBeetle have created something remarkable and their approach to programming is how they’ve created it.
Open source except for people who have downvoted any of my comments.
I agree with you though. I get sad when I see people abuse the Commons that everyone contributes to, and I understand that some people want to stop contributing to the Commons when they see that. I just disagree - we benefit more from a flourishing Commons, even if there are free loaders, even if there are exploiters etc.
It’s a common HN trope to generalise a “community” based on a handful of people or even just one person. “See this is why I dislike the xyz community”, says a person justifying their confirmation bias.
Perhaps the world is too complex without breaking it down into in-groups and out-groups, with any out-groups supposedly being completely homogenous. Pretty intellectually lazy but fairly common on HN, to the point where it’s not even worth calling out.
Yes, it was introduced many years ago and has been in production for quite some time now. You can completely eliminate use-after-free, double-free, dangling pointers, memory leaks, and null dereferences.
You should take another look, lots have changed in this scene.
You may be correct but pjmlp is not one of those and if you had been here long enough you would have known that. You're the one creating an in-group here and putting yourself on the 'good' side. Perhaps that is too complex for you but I think it is intellectually lazy not to get who you're referring to before making comments such as these. Note that your strawman "See this is why I dislike the xyz community" wasn't part of this thread at all.
One could also say some in the C or C++ communities actually care about security, thus no need for Rust or alike, yet no one is paying attention to those small groups in the corner.
A village is judged by its population actions, and even the black sheeps count to its overall image from outsiders.
Indeed. If there is one person here that keeps their footing in language debates it is you (and I'm always blown away with how many details you have at instant recall that I never realized were there). So thank you for the lessons over the years, it has helped me evaluate my choices better.
As for that sentence: I think Rust has its place, I do not agree at all with their 'rewrite' mantra because there are a ton of risks associated with rewrites that have nothing to do in what language the code is written in, just that it is a rewrite.
I think the Rust folks should go all-in on Redox and fix their tool optimization issues. And do one thing and do that well rather than to be the next Swiss army knife of programming. And I also think that the C and C++ folks can do a lot better still. Filip is doing something interesting I think and if there a practical solution to the C heritage I think it lies more in his direction than in rewriting billions of lines of battle tested code. Performance isn't nearly as important as it used to be. Another thing that I think would be beneficial would be to take as many device drivers out of the linux kernel as possible and run them as userspace processes.
Anyway, belated Merry Christmas to you and a pre-emptive happy 2026!
That dude said “even worse when coming from supposedly security conscious programming language community”. The comment is dripping with contempt, pointing out that the “community” makes tall claims that are unfounded. And he said this based purely on one comment. This contempt clearly indicated a dislike, which I generalised to “I dislike xyz community”. To which you reply with “strawman”. Sure.
You’re then accusing me of being intellectually lazy for not giving high karma accounts the respect they deserve. Come off it. I’m going to judge comments by their content, not by the karma of the author. You shaming me is not going to make me change that.
What’s crazy is that judging people by their karma instead of their words is actually lazy. Isn’t this obvious? Do I need to get another 20k karma before you’ll understand that?
So apparently it is fine for you to call out low karma accounts but I can't have you shit on a member in excellent standing here?
The Rust community has - rightly, in my opinion - flagged a number of serious concerns about language safety. Outside of that Rust is just another programming language and languages are just one of the parts of the security picture. There is process, general hygiene and a lot of hard learned lessons about how you keep systems secure regardless of what language a particular piece of code is written in.
Given the amount of Rust evangelization on HN (which is one of the reasons this link got posted in the first place) and the fact that they can't let any opportunity go by to shit on other languages and those that use them for reasons that are unclear to me (and this goes quite far, up to and including questioning the sanity of anybody writing in a systems language other than Rust) you can expect that that higher standard is applied to the Rust advocates in the same way.
Action begets reaction.
Your response is telling: you make a personal attack on a member of HN and then hide behind pointing out the flaws in 'the community' when in fact it is you that is poisoning the community with these kind of comments.
I've made it a rule since a couple of weeks that I'm tossing accounts like that onto my blacklist because really, life's too short. If you don't see value in HN discussing languages and their communities (and I have to give the Rust community some credit here, as the language matures they've become more realistic about their abilities and there is less zealotry, especially Steve Klabik deserves a mention) then it may be that you are in the wrong place. For me your account will cease to exist after this comment.
I didn’t make a personal attack on anyone, although you did to me.
Me calling out a sock puppet account (0 karma, created minutes before) is not the same as you saying that high karma accounts need to have their opinions respected simply because they are high karma. Coincidentally, I notice your account is very high karma.
You’re acting extraordinarily offended, like I’ve committed some major transgression here. I haven’t. I’ve re-read my comments and they’re frankly milquetoast.
