I want to like Zen but remember this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43443494

Is it safe enough now?

Also, anyone have an update on Ladybird? Looks like its dev is still going strong, but I haven’t been watching it carefully.

17 days ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44765292

The devs did address the backdoor and privacy issues.