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I'm a hair's breadth from switching to a Kimi plan at this point.

They're talking about the new model announced, with a larger battery and ARM architecture. Not released yet, I don't think.

The new Framework Pros are still x86, but the newest Intel generation appears to provide a substantial boost to efficiency.

Also, jumping on the LPCAMM train early creates an eventual path for ARM boards without soldered RAM.

They have a new type of core on these they refer to as a "low-power efficiency core", which is probably what is enabling these "feats", but as one of the parents to this comment points out we're comparing Windows configured in "Ultra Efficiency" mode to Apple Silicon MacBooks at most configured in Low Power mode...

Anecdotally, comparing to recent (but still older than these) generations of Intel chips I can run my M2 Max MacBook Pro with 78% battery health for longer (without any special considerations) than colleagues running their Windows Intel laptops in Power Saver mode, while performing similar tasks.


The new model is Intel or amd unless I missed something. They said in the video the battery life was entirely from video playback, which can be run on efficiency mode

My apologies, I don't know where I got the ARM architecture part from. I really want one of those machines, but I guess if they can't approach MacBook battery life yet I'm stuck on MacOS for now.

There is a framework mainboard being made by a 3rd party vendor

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/arm-mainboard-for-fra...


I think they said 22 hours of video playback in the video. If it even gets half of that for normal usage I'd be sold, the only thing stopping me giving it a shot is they are currently more expensive than the MBP and I'm not sure if they are worth it until the first reviews come in

It's hard to imagine it'll come close to the complete MacBook package and it'll likely be similarly priced.

- Screen

- Speakers

- The unbelievable trackpad

- Battery life

- GPU performance (Linux gaming on this would be amazing)


Correct, it's in pre order now. It is actually x86 though, not arm

I wonder if the hardware or the software will be the first to make a dream dev machine happen - a MacBook Pro + Linux experience

either Asahi gets there from the software side or Framework gets there from the hardware side


Food and shelter?

Regular employment barely covers these anyway. Certainly barely covers a shelter nearby the place of employment.

Aaand yet another clickbait title with an LLM-generated article selling a product.


There are ebbs and flows of absurdity, with the peaks being bubbly moments. I will never forget the fact that Dentacoin existed in 2017, and garnered attention for being a crypto token that you could use to pay your dentist. It's a multi billion dollar market! And the marketcap reached a $2 billion mark.


Neither were the Iranian nuclear scientists.


Conversely, it's possible that honing your actual skills by minimizing reliance on LLMs could become a very valuable trait in the coming future. But in that case, you'd be burning fewer tokens and you wouldn't be contributing to LLM company userbase growth which is a bad thing to do.


The loom, the steam engine, or the airplane did not cause "captains of industry" to publicly salivate over anticipating being able to fire their knowledge workers who invested time, money, and effort into becoming qualified for the jobs they're now constantly in fear of losing.

The social contract is being broken. Being broken just on paper, just on the hopes that it can be broken for good.


> The loom (...) did not cause "captains of industry" to publicly salivate over anticipating being able to fire their knowledge workers who invested time, money, and effort into becoming qualified for the jobs they're now constantly in fear of losing.

It absolutely did. Factory owners used their clout to put workers out of the job and then lobbied for military aid and capital punishment instead of negotiating with the workers. IMO, the only tactic for worker that has EVER had lasting success is solidarity through some form of unionization.

Read "Blood in the Machine" if you want to see what happened to the losers of the industrial revolution. The book does contain some fictional embellishments but that is explained up front, and noted when it comes up.


Those captains of industry almost certainly salivated over the idea of not needing weavers etc. any more. Is the difference you're seeing just that they're doing that publicly now?


The weavers had a rough go of it for sure, but at least they did not have to spend 4 years of their early adulthood being intellectually challenged in a higher education institution, often going into debt, in order to become qualified weavers.


Actually it was 7 years of physical training that deformed their bodies:

"But the work left the body callused, bent, and molded. You could tell a cropper by his enormous forearms and by the “hoof” of callused skin that built up on his wrist. In the spring of 1811, George was in his early twenties, and he’d spent his post-adolescent life learning the trade. Seven years of hard, exacting labor; seven years of paying his dues. That led to pride and attachment to the work, to a brotherhood, to an identity."

Merchant, Brian. Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the Rebellion against Big Tech. Little Brown & Co. (ADS), 2024.


Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding! Let me pivot then-- I still argue that it is a fundamentally different case when it comes to LLMs.

1. Threatening young and educated people with not being able to realize the potential that they believed they were building for themselves is toying with social uprising.

2. Weaving is an apt example of redundancy on account of technological innovation but it's a poor comparison to LLMs where the narrative is that they will continue to get better until they approach a general intelligence level which would put a much much higher percentage of the population at risk of losing their jobs. Again, the segment of the population that has invested most into their skills, and will be the most angry and capable of organizing should that come to pass.

Weaving doesn't as aptly represent the core of what we as a species are good at and excel at, as knowledge work does.


1. This is not enough on it's own for social uprising, but it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I feel a lot of the general vibe in the US is summed up in this excerpt from "All Hail" by The Devil Makes Three:

"Laugh if you want to, really is kinda funny

'Cause the world is a car and you're the crash test dummy

Herd's stampeding now, fences gone

Television is always on and it says "Save the children, but drop the bomb

Replace the word 'right' now with the word 'wrong'

Hey, there's a big sale on Tuesday, get it before it's gone

Get a picture with the four horsemen for a nominal sum

Now that they got everything, they'd like to sell you some!

All hail, all hail, to the greatest of sales

Everything in sight's got to be sold

All hail, all hail, 'cause it's to work or to jail

Man, they're closing them doors on the world"

Closing them doors on the world aka pulling the ladder up behind them is exactly what is happening, and has been happening, to young white Americans for decades now, and young Americans of color since forever.

2. Weaving is an ancestor of programming so I feel it's an apt comparison to discussions of modern technology, as much as any historic profession can be. But to more specifically address your point about continuing to get better and putting more of the population at risk of job loss, there were multiple innovations within the textile industry that worked together to automate different portions of the industry. The point is similar to the poem "First They Came" by Martin Niemöller, where it starts somewhere but it will come for all of us. So focusing on whether or not weaving specifically is a good comparison to LLMs misses the point that if we don't band together as workers, we will eventually be overpowered by capital, foregoing any discussion about the morality of capitalism but just looking at eternal struggle of profit incentives vs wages.


No, the difference is that people used to kick down their doors and boot stomp their heads when they got this greedy about it


TIL I'm a conservative. I yearn to return to the old ways.


OH but they did. Captains of industry always are on the lookout to drive down labor (its their #1 cost).


> It's the pinnacle of human innovation. It should be revered as our greatest achievement. People should know about how its going to revolutionize scientific research.

How so? Colloquially, AI currently means LLMs. Why would we revere LLMs as our greatest achievement?


Because we've built something that's (functionally) intelligent, comparable to humans in terms of its ability to exhibit (functional) understanding of complex topics, and produce novel correct output. There's nothing even remotely close to this in human history. This was all science fiction 10 years ago.


Maybe the comparison is imperfect, but: we also built a wonderful, novel and excellent bomb, the atom one, not remotely close to whatever humans did before, yet I'm not totally thrilled by it.


People that I speak with often conflate LLMs with AGI (or at least what they thing AGI is).


I'm thinking LLMs lead to an AIG scenario (circa 2008) as opposed to AGI.


Because you can already fill a datacenter with hyper-productive PhD level autodidactic polymaths and we're still on the ground floor of the technology? These frontier models are like alpha builds and they're already ridiculous. AGI is marketing slop and machine learning doesn't need that promise to be the most impressive achievement in human history in my opinion.


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