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> The point of the Framework is to run Linux

Until recently they've been almost as second-class-Linux-to-Windows as say Dell, but perhaps you just meant 'non-macOS'?

(For example, I'm currently struggling to get my early-days pre-ordered 11th gen Intel BIOS updated from v3.07 without a) the official Windows updater; b) modifying the supplied firmware on the instruction of AI or stranger third-parties in unmerged PRs/GH issues.)


I'm just one datapoint, but my Framework 16 (bought a little over a year ago with no OS, has only ever had Linux installed on it) has never given me trouble with firmware updates. I've updated the BIOS twice, and other firmware, all through `fwupdmgr` with no issues. I bought the AMD chip rather than Intel, it's possible that that was why I had no issues, but I don't actually know.

I'd call that pretty recent :) – fwupdmgr wasn't supported (not as in 'you're on your own', but 'blobs not published to registry') until a few years ago. EFI shell update wasn't available early on. When I say I'm trying to, I'm actually struggling to establish if it's even possible without at least using Windows to jump to a certain version after which I can use EFI/fwupdmgr.

Rube Goldberg machines (or Heath Robinson contraptions) aren't arbitrary, they're complicated or contrived ways of achieving the process; often a very literal interpretation of how an automatic machine might imitate an otherwise manual action – a robotic hand movement for example. I think it's quite a good analogy, even if agentic Goldberg works well.

Those machines are, to quote Wikipedia, "designed to perform a simple task in a comically overcomplicated way". This implies there is a much simpler way that works just as well.

I don't think the Rube Goldberg analogy works if the agentic meandering is essential complexity required to get at the results. Rube Goldberging it would be something like putting this loop inside some comically overengineered enterprise microservice web which is then found out to be running inside a Window 98 emulator or what have you.


> This implies there is a much simpler way that works just as well

Yes there is: Write the code yourself


This is not any simpler

Seems to me the route that these agents took is sort of exactly how a group of people would collaborate on building an RTS?

That just means that you have whatever % chance of catching an attack on the days you do upgrade, and then in the event you do, stay compromised for a large % of the year until your next bump though?

Constantly upgrading offers more days with that % chance of catching one, but at least means you'll see the fix or release-pull sooner too.


In BrE too, not sure why that was related to regional difference if they're called pumpkins there too.

I can imagine getting myself into a similar fix. I'd like to think I'd calmly clarify that while I enjoy it I don't get through as many as quickly as I'd like; I'm currently reading blah, and previously blah and blah, but I can't recall the last ten.

Because they're presumably just trying to call bullshit, since it can sound like such an easy probably oft-recomended 'hobby' to say you have, so it's 'oh yeah well what have you actually read recently then', not actually 'I now therefore expect you to have perfect recall over your read catalogue'.


I think it's the density of Californians, and that Japanese culture, food, second language etc. is popular there probably not least due to their relative proximity.

If HN was Brit-dominated, while less romanticised perhaps we probably would seem oddly fascinated with say France, to our minority members elsewhere.


Seems from Wikipedia she was unmarried at the time of at least some of the significant work, is published and credited as Perrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharla_Boehm

In this sort of community, fairly well-known yes.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1779148800&dateRange=custom&...


Directionally? Yes, bad

Is that true? In communities or tribes of antiquity I assume there was some trading fruits of different labours before coinage. Still an 'invention' beyond baser individual survivalism.


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